Welcome to the self-proclaimed Rural Ottawa High-Speed Internet Blog. High-speed Internet access is virtually ubiquitous in the urban and suburban areas of Ottawa, but when I started this blog in 2005, only about 60% of the rural areas of Ottawa have coverage. However, even for rural citizens, high-speed Internet access is becoming as necessary as telephone service. Happily, high-speed coverage for rural Ottawa has increased significantly, and not only is coverage reportedly above 90%, many rural residents and businesses now have more than one choice of high-speed ISP.

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Wednesday, July 13, 2011

ITBusiness article: Rogers launches Canada's first LTE service

According to the article, Rogers has rolled-out LTE service in the Ottawa area.

It's looks a little pricey for what you get, compared to Rogers' RocketHub/Stick or Bell's TubroHub/Stick (HSPA+ service). From the article:

The Sierra Wireless modem costs $80 on a three year data plan. The flexible plans start at $45 for 1.5 Gigabytes of data a month and run up to $90 a month for 9 GB of data. The plan automatically shifts subscribers up or down levels depending on their monthly use.

Rogers said customers will see average download speeds of between 12 and 25 Mbps, depending on network congestion and spectrum used.

With RocketHub or TurboHub -- especially with the higher speed SpeedBoost option -- rural home Internet users can get similar performance at a lower price than Rogers' LTE service. The LTE plan seems suitable only if you need high-speed with your mobility plan.

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Blogger Paul Brun said...

I live just outside North Gower on Third Line Road. Over here, my internet options are limited. I can either go with XploreNet, Bell or Rogers. I don't like how XploreNet may be imposing throttling limits on daily and/or monthly caps. If I purchase Internet, I want it to be completely open. Furthermore, I don't like the tiered billing that comes with Bell or Rogers Mobile Internet. I opted for Rogers since I was a Rogers customer for a while, but I don't like the service or the billing. I just wish there was a Wireless provider that gives you a fixed price for unlimited or for some really high bandwidth number. It is too easy to reach +10gb between two people.

paul

October 19, 2011 10:35 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We think there going to be a new internet provider . Northwind .No cap ,good speed, price is right. Corkery woods area. Bell & Rogers cost is high. Xplornet speed up and down.

October 26, 2011 11:54 PM  
Blogger FireFox said...

Anonymous,

Im also located in the Corkery area - do you mean that you wish that there was an alternate ISP in the Corkery woods area like Northwind, or that you are currently able to get service with Northwind ? If there is a new service provider for the area, I would love to hear about it.

Thanks

Fox

October 28, 2011 4:49 PM  
Blogger Chris Spencer said...

I personally (and professionally) think that the days of unlimited download for a fixed monthly price are numbered. All the incumbents are moving to tiered pricing even in wireline services like DSL and cable, and they are still trying to recoup their investments into wireless ISP. Only small operators seem to still be offering unlimited services, and I think they will eventually have to follow the incumbents, since, by and large, the small ISPs are using the backhauls of the incumbents.

That said, as more operators enter the wireless ISP space, we may see downward movement monthly subscription rates, or more likely, increased download limits for the same cost (because companies don't like to have less revenues).

Finally, where I am located (between Manotick and Kars), I've tried both Bell's Turbo Hub and Rogers' Rocket Stick. I get much better speeds from Bell. This probably has more to do with my location than either Bell's or Rogers' service.

So, if you've tried one incumbent and are not happy with the service, you may want to try another.

-Chris

October 29, 2011 8:37 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

NorthWind setting the tower up on Jacob Gate. When i dont know. Talk to David Mckeen at Northwind.

October 29, 2011 10:29 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bell and Rogers fiber on March rd. Northwind trying to hook up with fibre to tower but the cost is high. Look like we are going to be stuck with Xplornet,Bell ,Rogers Wireless .

November 15, 2011 11:38 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Northwind ready to setup on Jacob Gate in two week . Call David Mckeen

December 01, 2011 10:34 AM  
Blogger shubert1969 said...

I do hope that an alternative high speed provider shows up near corkery woods area. I am with Bell 512K (portable internet) and the speed and connection have been absolutely horrendous these past few months.
Thinking about starting as pigeon delivery service or sending a usb stick by mail.. might be faster :)

December 02, 2011 8:49 AM  
Blogger shubert1969 said...

Bell just send me a letter indicating they will discontinued the bell portable service in the corkery wood area.... They want me to move to the turbo hub...mmmmm an extra 40$ for the same monthly usage. I guess it's Xplorenet :(

January 16, 2012 5:22 PM  
Blogger FireFox said...

Hi shubert1969,

Rogers has discontinued their version of that same service as of March 1st 2011 as well. Just as it was starting to work quite well (solid 2mbps down) for me. The original migration letter that they sent me was for a standard RocketHub data plan, but there were enough users harassing them for something better that Rogers did come up with a special "Portable Migration plan" that I was able to secure. This new plan gets you the rocket hub free of charge and 10 gb of data for $45 and up to 30 gb for $60 on a 2 year term. The original portable internet service was supposed to be capped at 30 gb, so I took the offer before they changed their minds. Was a bit of a gong show trying to get to the right agent to get the thing activated on the migration plan though.

Keep the pressure on them - write them a letter explaining that your usage will result in a larger bill and see if Bell will also make a special migration plan.

Too bad that there arent any other options in the Corkery area. Best of luck.

Fox

January 17, 2012 4:35 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am working on getting a new provider in Corkery woods. So hang on. If you want to help out call up Northwind for more information. Xplornet cost to much for dial up.

January 25, 2012 8:43 PM  
Blogger shubert1969 said...

Thanks anonymous,

I previously sent an email to David and anxiously waiting for an a-ok.

Stephane

January 30, 2012 1:02 PM  

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Saturday, June 11, 2011

FP article: Rogers to roll out LTE network in Ottawa

The Financial Post recently publish an article reporting on Rogers' deployment of an LTE network in the Ottawa area. LTE -- Long-Term Evolution -- is next (4th) generation mobile voice and data, and promises to be 6-10x faster than current technologies. The LTE service is apparently available immediately.

I wandered over to Rogers website, and sure enough, the LTE Rocket Stick is being offered in the Ottawa area... with delivery sometime this summer. So it looks like the stick is available for pre-order.

The site doesn't get into performance specifics either, other than to say the service will be significantly faster than current HSPA+ networks (which have download speeds of up to 21 Mbps) and will depend on hardware selected.

LTE Rocket Stick hardware costs are $80 for 3-year contract, and $170 with no contract. No word on monthly service package costs.

Hopefully we can find out more later in the summer.

-Chris

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Blogger Leif said...

Does LTE provide better coverage? i.e. in areas that previously had difficulty getting 3g service like homes within 3g range but protected by thick woods, etc.

June 11, 2011 10:21 AM  
Blogger ian said...

Anyone have any idea if the bandwidth caps will be sufficient to handle video/netflix or other high bandwidth activity?

June 14, 2011 10:56 AM  
Blogger Andreas said...

LTE is now live in the Ottawa area. The coverage is excellent and includes rural areas around the city. The speeds are astonishing... and so are the bandwidth caps.

Here's a good review of the service:
http://www.electronista.com/articles/11/07/07/our.rogers.lte.test.shows.fast.speeds/

Here is a coverage map:
http://www.rogerslte.com/lte-in-your-area

I couldn't find info on the Rogers website about the plans, but this article indicates "Service is based on a flex-rate strategy that costs a minimum $45 a month for 1.5GB of data and jumps to $60 for 3GB of data. Service peaks at $90 for 9GB of transfers and costs $10 for each gigabyte over the top tier."

http://www.electronista.com/articles/11/07/07/rogers.lte.starts.in.ottawa.first/

I haven't purchased it yet, but I probably will eventually. It would be good as a second connection when you really need the fast speeds.

July 10, 2011 7:58 AM  

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Wednesday, May 25, 2011

Comparison of Bell and Rogers HSPA networks

I've just done an impromptu comparative test of Bell's and Rogers' HSPA services (e.g. Bell Turbo Hub vs. Rogers Rocket Stick -- both the 7Mbps peak HSPA service).

Although not exhaustive, I tried to keep things as similar as possible.

  1. The Bell Hub and Rogers Stick were located ~1m apart.
  2. The tests were performed ~30 seconds apart.
  3. All tests were performed using testmy.net's Download SmarTest.

Key differences include:

  1. The Bell Hub was connected through my WinXP PC while the Rogers Stihttp://www2.blogger.com/img/blank.gifck was connected to my Vista laptop.
  2. Rogers are towers are located to the ~2.5km north and ~5km south of my home, while Bell towers are located ~5km east and west of my home.


Bell Turbo Hub test results: 3.3 Mbps down

Rogers Rocket Stick test results: 750Kbps down

Click on the 'results' links to see the test details.

I actually ran a numbers of tests; the above results are typical. I saw Rogers range from 63 Kbps to 1.5 Mbps, while Bell never dropped below 2.5 Mbps.

For this morning anyway, and in my immediate area, Bell was way faster than Rogers.

8 Comments:

Blogger Sneaky said...

Thanks and please keep us updated on this as I am deciding over the next month about which to use based on this kind of data. I would like to know what area you live in?

May 25, 2011 11:27 AM  
Blogger Jason said...

Thankyou and please keep us updated about QOS during peak hours. What area do you live in?

May 25, 2011 11:30 AM  
Blogger Chris Spencer said...

I live between Manotick and Kars.

May 25, 2011 12:01 PM  
Blogger Lois Anne Addion said...

Well, in my continuing search for reliable high speed, I got a Rogers Turbo Hub (fortunately they have a 14 day return policy). I connected it and found there was no internet connection here. The Hub showed low signal. A friend who lives on 6th Mile just east of Tommy Dolan has a Rogers cell phone and when he was here he got no signal.
Next on the list is Telus... last on the list is Xplornet. Still having serious problems with My Bell Turbo Hub (Netgear) Intermittent ability to connect - last speed test - 1.06MBS down; 346KBS up.
I live on Wagon Drive in Dunrobin. Dunrobin Rd to north on Vance; Vance to west on Greenland; Greenland to north on Mast Lane...then around the circle//
Hope this info helps some of you.

May 28, 2011 9:55 AM  
Blogger Chris Spencer said...

@Lois Anne:

If you're still considering one of the big wireless internet providers, you should know that they usually leverage their cell towers to handle their HSPA network as well (I mean, wouldn't you?). Here's a link to a mapping of supposedly all cell towers in Canada:

http://www.ertyu.org/steven_nikkel/cancellsites.html

The closer the cell tower is to your location, the more likely you are to get a strong signal and thus higher speeds (not that a strong signal is the only factor affecting speed).

Also, if you're currently getting 1 Mbps down on the Bell Turbo Hub, and you're not getting any signal from Rogers, then, sadly, that may be the best that you can get in your area. I abandoned Xplornet after they couldn't even reliably manage 500 Kbps down on my 3 Mbps service (I was expecting and used to get 1.0 - 1.5 Mbps reliably).

You could try Xplornet. I think they have a 30-day trial. But be warned they have a new fair-use policy which allows them to throttle download speeds. I read the policy, and it was another factor in my decision to abandon them.

-Chris

May 29, 2011 9:01 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lois Anne,
I understand Northwind Wireless is now providing wireless internet in the Dunrobin/Greenland area after the demise of SimplySurf. May be worth giving them a call.

May 29, 2011 10:32 AM  
Blogger hromanko said...

I live just north of North Gower and used to have Storm service then XplorNet, then unfortunately tried Bell WiMax (which they abandoned without telling their victims... er customers) and am now on a Bell TurboHub. I can confirm that the Bell HSPA is considerably faster than Rogers, not just in rural Ottawa but almost everywhere in Ottawa and Toronto. For example, with the same smart phone, in downtown Ottawa, Bell downloads at 4 mbps and Rogers at .9 mbps. Where I live it is around 1.8 mbps down for Bell and .3 - .4 mbps down for Rogers. Unfortunately, in recent weeks Bell's service has been very unreliable -- for hours it has been as low as .1 mbps down. I'd love to hear what your QoS is/has been with the Bell turbohub.

June 29, 2011 12:45 PM  
Anonymous JerryD said...

I used to use Rogers High Spped and recently moved where there is no line service for high speed. On advice, I chose Bell Wireless Internet (not based on mobile service). The advertised speed is 3M. On average I would estimate it to be 1M and as I type, the speed is ...wait...a whopping 110K. With such slow speeds it's impossible to use the internet...2-3 min for a simple webpage to load.
I'm about to switch to the Bell mobile Turbo Hub and see how that goes.

August 12, 2011 6:14 PM  

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Saturday, April 02, 2011

ElectronicBox offers DSL in Ottawa area

According to a reader, the ElectronicBox, which has been around since 1997 (in Quebec), now offers high-speed DSL service in the Ottawa area. They also offer telephone services. Their prices and speeds are somewhat lower than competitors, but they offer up and down data limits that are as good or better than their competitors.

Of course, most rural Ottawa customers can't get DSL. If they could, this blog would likely never have been created. But I'm posting it here since I know that some readers are in areas serviced by DSL.

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Saturday, March 19, 2011

ITWorldCanada: Clement undercuts defence of usage-based billing

Here's an interesting article from IT World Canada, where Industry Minister Tony Clement weighs-in on usage-based billing (UBB) for independent ISPs.

http://m.itworldcanada.com/story.aspx?id=142632

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Thursday, February 24, 2011

Trialing Bell's Turbo Hub

So, I finally took the plunge and went out and got myself a Bell Turbo Hub -- specifically a Netgear MBR1210.

For the past couple of months, my 3 Mbps Xplornet service -- which used to average an acceptable 1.4 Mbps down -- has been averaging well below 1 Mbps. In fact, my irregular, random testing shows that the 30-day average download speed was just 440 Kbps. Not good.

As some of you regular readers are aware, I telecommute about 1-2 times per week. My Xplornet speeds, which used to be higher-than-average during working hours, had slowed to the point where work was becoming impacted. Not good.

A call to Xplornet customer service quickly got me to Tier 2 tech support, but other than offering to re-align my antenna to another tower -- at my expense -- there was nothing they could do supposedly. Not good.

I was also concerned about Xplornet's new 'fair-use' (read, throttling) policy coming into effect March 1. Not good.

I figured if I was going to lay-out $125 for an antenna re-alignment, then it wasn't such a big thing to pay $150 for a turbo hub -- or a Rogers Rocket Hub -- depending on what I decided. And the 'slow' service was 7 Mbps peak (although Bell does say that 2-4 Mbps down is typical). I'd been wanting faster service and couldn't get it from Xplornet.

To top it all off, with Bell's flex-plan, my monthly ISP fees could be lower than the $50 per month I'm currently paying to Xplornet. I'm not an online gamer or Netflix user, so I don't expect to go over the 10 GB monthly limit.

I was concerned about signal strength. I mean, my Xplornet antenna is mounted on an 8-foot mast on my roof, while the turbo hub sits on my desk and an external antenna is optional (and Bell doesn't sell the external antennas). Luckily, Bell has a 14-day, 50MB trial, so I could take the turbo hub home and return it is speeds or signal strength weren't acceptable. Good.

I decided to go with Bell -- instead of Rogers -- because of the trial and because as a Bell home phone, long distance, and TV customer, I could bundle the Internet service into my current Bell plan. I figure if Bell's hub doesn't work out, I can still try Rogers, which has towers closer to my house than Bell.

On my way home from work this afternoon, I stopped by the Bell World store in Barrhaven and picked up a Netgear MBR1210 turbo hub. When I got home, I plugged it in and waited for it to boot -- the quick start guide said booting would take approximately 1 minute, which is approximately what it took. After the hub booted, to my delight, the all-important Signal Quality indicator showed solid blue -- excellent coverage. Good.

I plugged by desktop PC into the hub and started doing some tests. My home-grown download speed tester -- the one that gave the 30-day average of 440 Kbps for Xplornet -- averaged 1.2 Mbps and peaked at 3.2 Mbps. Good.

Twice this evening, I ran download tests on TestMy.net, and got 3.95 and 3.49 Mbps respectively. Good.

I also did some web browsing and email downloading. All noticeably faster than lately with Xplornet. Good.

I'd almost blown my 50 MB trial, so I switched back to Xplornet. For comparison, I ran another TestMy.net download speed test, and Xplornet only managed 335 Kbps -- 10x lower than the Bell turbo hub. Not Good.

Another good point for the Netgear MBR1210 turbo hub: among its advanced features is a built-in traffic meter which can be configured to issue warnings and even disconnect if you go over your monthly download limit. Good.

All in all, my first evening with the Bell turbo hub 7 Mbps (max) service has been quite positive and definitely much better than my Xplornet service has been a while. Your mileage may vary.

-Chris

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Blogger Andreas said...

Thanks for the information Chris. How has it been in the last week since you've had the service? Specifically in peak times? Also can you please post some latency information (either from speedtest.net or just some ping numbers to google)?

When I had my rogers rocket stick, I found the speeds would drop significantly in the evenings and that the latency was quite variable. I cancelled the service six months ago so I'm curious if anything has changed.

March 03, 2011 7:53 AM  
Blogger Chris Spencer said...

@Andreas,

So far, so good. I worked from home on Monday -- during the freezing rain and snow -- and was simultaneously VoIPing and NetMeeting without issue.

Evenings have been fine. I haven't been online a lot in the evenings thyis week, but when I have, it's been better than with Xplornet.

On Xplornet, I definitely noticed slowdowns starting around 4pm -- I guess coinciding with kids returning home from school.

I just ran a test on speedtest.net -- here are the results: 3.9 Mbps down, 1.4 Mbps up, and 173ms ping.

I also ran a few pings to Google, CBC, and NRC:

>ping www.google.com

Pinging www.l.google.com [72.14.204.104] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 72.14.204.104: bytes=32 time=675ms TTL=49
Reply from 72.14.204.104: bytes=32 time=284ms TTL=49
Reply from 72.14.204.104: bytes=32 time=263ms TTL=49
Reply from 72.14.204.104: bytes=32 time=261ms TTL=49

Ping statistics for 72.14.204.104:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 261ms, Maximum = 675ms, Average = 370ms

>ping www.cbc.ca

Pinging a1849.gc.akamai.net [67.69.197.66] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 67.69.197.66: bytes=32 time=57ms TTL=54
Reply from 67.69.197.66: bytes=32 time=56ms TTL=54
Reply from 67.69.197.66: bytes=32 time=65ms TTL=54
Reply from 67.69.197.66: bytes=32 time=54ms TTL=54

Ping statistics for 67.69.197.66:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 54ms, Maximum = 65ms, Average = 58ms

>ping www.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca

Pinging S00326.cisti.nrc.ca [132.246.11.112] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 132.246.11.112: bytes=32 time=71ms TTL=239
Reply from 132.246.11.112: bytes=32 time=80ms TTL=239
Reply from 132.246.11.112: bytes=32 time=79ms TTL=239
Reply from 132.246.11.112: bytes=32 time=78ms TTL=239

Ping statistics for 132.246.11.112:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 71ms, Maximum = 80ms, Average = 77ms

I don't play online games, so really low latency isn't a big concern for me.

I hope this provides the answers to your questions.

--Chris

March 03, 2011 9:46 PM  
Blogger Chris Spencer said...

I also just ran ping tests on pingtest.net:
here are the results.

--Chris

March 03, 2011 9:56 PM  
Anonymous KyleDJ said...

Hi Chris, so happy to see you still keep your site alive! :)

Wanted to know how the Bell Turbo Hub has been working out, particularly during "peak" periods?

I just brought one home and am at 30 MB of my trial limit. It seems decent and smokes the crappy performance I've come to know from Xplornet ever since we were forced from Storm.

My Xplornet service is currently dead, knocked out in a storm two weeks ago (oh the irony...). My installation has about 100 feet of buried cable that was added during the Storm migration. It's fried, and Xplornet says they won't pay for it, even though they're the reason it's there.

Happily I've discovered we now have options such as Bell and Rogers hubs that are faster, have no maintenance footprint, and are portable(!). Even though it'll cost me more per month, I'm ready to switch and give this fixed-based LoS wireless stuff the heave-ho..., it's a dead-end tech in my opinion, and after suffering through the Arryba / Storm / Xplornet saga for years, I've had enough. I expect Xplornet's customer base here will collapse within a year.

So, any more feedback on Bell's Turbo Hub?

Related question, any recommendations on a good host for domain name registration, email accounts, and web space with FTP access? (since Bell service doesn't included any). I will need to transfer my domain name and email addresses.

Thanks much! :)
KyleDJ

April 25, 2011 2:23 PM  
Blogger Chris Spencer said...

@KyleDJ et al:

I've had the Bell Turbo Hub (NetGear) since late February, so almost 2 months at the time of this posting.

I don't do a lot of streaming video or movie downloads or any serious online gaming, so my monthly combined up- and downloads are in the 5-6 GB range so far. So I've got a fair bit of room before I hit that expen$ive 10GB threshold.

I've also run a few download tests, using testmy.net, and am seeing ~3.4 Mbps down on my 7 Mbps peak service. All good, as far as I'm concerned, especially since Bell has stated 2-4 Mbps average (or was it 2-3 Mbps avg?). Whatever.

Bottom-line is how it works for me, which, so far, has been great. For example, I was working from home today, and had a VoIP call and an online meeting going at the same time, and my wife was downloading stuff on her PC, also at the same time, and everything was smooth.

I'm happy with the Bell Turbo Hub service.

BTW, if you can't get anywhere with Xplornet tech support, ask to speak with a customer appreciation rep (or whatever they call it). They may fix that cable et al for free if you threaten to leave. Just a thought.

-Chris

April 25, 2011 7:34 PM  
Anonymous KyleDJ said...

Thanks Chris, appreciate the feedback, and certainly that it appears to be good news! :)

Yes Bell's website currently quotes 2-4 Mbps average on the 7.2 Mbps peak service, and 3.5-8 Mbps average on the 21 Mbps peak service (which requires an extra $10/month and assumes it's available in your area).

Unfortunately my 5+ Mbps days with Storm are long gone ever since being pushed onto Xplornet, so at the moment anything over 2 Mbps sounds good to me! In my quick Turbo Hub tests today I was seeing 3-4 Mbps. Upload was a bit pokey though at 0.5 Mbps at best.

The 10 GB threshold is a concern for me, as I sometime step over it. But it's doable. In a pinch I have 6 GB of paid usage on the iPhone that I can tether through, since I almost never use it. Slow yes, but maybe I can use it for any large downloads like software updates, and let it run overnight. (Wow, just like the 2400 bps days! ;D )

I've been dealing with an Xplornet special rep ("RFP Liaison") for 2 years now due to all the problems here. I just finished sending an email off to them again about the latest saga, and that I'm now looking at other options. I half expect (hope?) that I'll be staying on Turbo Hub by the end of the week.

Or you gathering any regular speed stats from the Turbo Hub? Would love to see how the download / upload speeds change based on time of day (network load).

Thanks again! :)
KyleDJ

April 25, 2011 8:31 PM  
Anonymous Simon said...

Does anyone know if storm and ripnet still service the south end of ottawa?

Xplornet service here is absymal, even at 1AM. We are only a few KM from the tower, heck the Xplornet store is closer than the tower.

Tired of crappy service, but our family of 3 users would blow through Bell's $10 limit.

Cheers for any help, thanks!

-Simon

April 27, 2011 1:46 AM  
Blogger spudson1 said...

Chris, first let me add a huge thanks for keeping this Blog alive. I can't count how many times I have referenced it over the years.

I too have been suffering Xplornet-itis since the Storm takeover, and am wondering if the Bell turbo hub might be the solution that will finally set me free.

Do you and Kyle have any further updates on your Turbo Hub experiences? Are your down/upload speeds remaining consistent still?

Mobile signal is a little variable within my house. Does anyone know if you can get an external antenna for the Bell system? I saw a comment somewhere that said this was not available from Bell, but I'm waiting to hear from my mobility rep right now.

I have a family of 5 users, so am a little concerned about the GB thresholds, but one step at a time... Currently I'm trying to figure out how to calculate our typical usage from the various devices in our house.

Thanks,
ian

May 09, 2011 2:46 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I chose the Rogers Rocket Hub over the Bell Turbo Hub for a few reasons that may be of interest to others. When I committed I was only interested in the hub for data purposes only – so I didn't evaluate voice package options into my decision. Also, at the time of signing the contract, the only modem offered was the Ericsson W35 for both Rogers and Bell so specs/performance didn't factor into my decision either.

Three reasons for choosing Rogers over Bell: First, Rogers Flex rate data plan is less expensive than Bell's (Rogers: $35-3Gb, $45-5Gb, $60-10Gb v.s. Bell's $45-3Gb, $55-5Gb and $70-10Gb). Secondly, the overage fee on the Rogers flex plan is $10/Gb ($5/Gb when I signed on for 2yrs) where as Bell's is $0.015/Mb (or $15.36/Gb) a big consideration if you plan on or anticipate going over 10Gb/month. Third, since I can't predict the future but had to commit to a 2yr contract, the "out" on the Rogers contract was less onerous than Bell's. Rogers termination fees if canceled during the 2yr contract would be the greater of $25 or $5/month till end of term to a maximum of $100 - So, at minimum $25 and at most $100 to cancel with Rogers during the contract term. The Bell "out" requires the greater of $100 or $20/month till end of term to a maximum of $400 – So, at minimum $100 and at most $400 to cancel with Bell.

I have Bell home phone, Long Distance and Bell TV but even with the bundling discount I still decided to go with Rogers based on the reasons above. If I'm still with Rogers at the end of the term I can at least pit the two against one another for the best non-contract price as I can use the Ericsson modem on either network (just swap sim cards).

May 09, 2011 6:00 PM  
Blogger Chris Spencer said...

@Simon: Sorry for the delay in responding -- it's been a hectic couple of weeks.

AFAIK, Storm doesn't have any residential customers in Ottawa any longer, but you may want to check with them to confirm.

RipNet should still be servicing the south end; I have several south end contacts with RipNet email addresses.

-Chris

May 09, 2011 9:04 PM  
Blogger Chris Spencer said...

@Spudson1:

Bell Turbo hub has been pretty consistent for me of the last 2.5 months. No complaints. Even when the signal strength is showing weak (yellow), I still get decent speeds.

I do not have a high-gain antenna for my Hub, and AFAIK, Bell doesn't sell them, but they can provide you with a list of suitable models. I've seen number for sale on eBay (caveat emptor).

I too have a family of five, and so far, haven't used more than 6 GB per month. n.b. We don't download movies.

-Chris

May 09, 2011 9:09 PM  
Blogger Lois Anne Addion said...

I live in Dunrobin. Last October I purchased the Ericsson Turbo Hub from Bell. It was a disaster. I went through 4 until I wrote a scathing letter and they took back the Ericsson and gave the Netgear. All was fine - i.e. reliable, fast (green signal on Signal Quality indicator which = Good coverage) UNTIL April 1st, 2011. Since then it has been an yellow light = minimal coverage) very intermittent ability to connect and when we finally do connect the speeds are SLOW. My neighbor has a turbo stick and less ability to connect. Anyone else having problems?

May 16, 2011 3:27 PM  
Blogger Lois Anne Addion said...

Chris,
I described my recent and ongoing difficulties with Bell's Turbo hub. I am trying to determine options and make a decision. I finally got some info from Bell... I have no idea why the service tanked, but am being told that there are hardware improvements to be made to tower but may take 3 - 6 months. It is possible to be released from my 2 year contract. I contacted Rogers and there is no cable out here - just their Turbo Hub. Pricing is very similar to Bell. However I have no idea if their reception here would be any better. I wrote to Northwinds, but have been unimpressed by their lack of response. Xplornet is the other possibility but reading this blog has raised serious concerns there. I can ask neighbors - we were all with Simplysurf until it disappeared and then some went with Xplornet and I went with Bell since all our other services are with Bell.
I would appreciate any comments or suggestions that could be made.

May 20, 2011 4:35 AM  
Blogger Chris Spencer said...

@Lois Anne:

Yeah, sounds like you're in tough spot -- stay with the devil you know or go with the devil you don't.

The Ericsson W35 hub seems to have been problematic, based on what I've read, but I have no direct experience with it; I've always had the Netgear MBR1210 hub.

I have now tested both Bell Turbo Hub and Rogers Rocket Stick (for work-at-home use) and in my area, they both perform about the same. I have Bell towers several kilometres to the east and west of my house, and Rogers towers several kilometres to the north and south -- I'm almost smack-dab in the middle.

Signal strength varies a fair bit, and lately, I'm wondering if the new leaves on the trees are playing a role in weakening the signals. I had much better signal strength overall when the trees were leaf-less, but there could be other things at play here too.

Generally speaking, in my opinion, Bell & Rogers Turbo/Rocket service will likely overall be faster than Xplornet. If Northwinds isn't returning your calls, then you can't really consider them as an alternative.

But, obviously, performance at your specific area may differ.

BTW, everyone is always planning system upgrades.

This is free advice -- take it for what it's worth. I hope it helps.

-Chris

May 20, 2011 7:46 PM  
Blogger Wing said...

Found your blog while googling. Just moved out to the Panmure area north / west of Carp.

Tried Xplornet I'm two weeks into my 30-day trial it is sad. Average transfer speeds are 80kb/s, but at peak times I can barely load a webpage.

Got a Rogers Rocket hub sent to my door, it's way faster 3MBs even at peak times. Too bad it's so expensive!

I like the unlimited aspect of Xplornet and I actually managed in 2 weeks to download close to 15gig through them, but when you need it, it is useless. Had the techs out twice I have perfect signal, I'm sure they are either congested or capping me but won't admit why when I do a speed test I get 0.14Mbps Yup, just barely double a 56Kbps modem... sad.

May 26, 2011 8:17 PM  
Blogger Chris Spencer said...

@Wing:

Yeah, Xplornet caps. If you search around on their website, you'll find their capping policy. IIRC, myself and others have posted snippets of their capping policy on this blog as well.

And yeah, the low up+down data limit on the Rogers and Bell HSPA (Stick/Hub) packages seem to be the main disadvantage.

May 26, 2011 8:38 PM  
Anonymous Allana said...

We are trying to get this Netgear turbo hub to gain any signal, but so far nothing. We got a green light once. Purchased a Yagi antenna and have not seen any improvement. We are wondering if maybe there is something wrong with the antenna receptor on this hub. We are in a heavy coverage zone according to Bell (for whatever that's worth). We tried the unit in the city and it worked perfectly but can't get anything out here. Any thoughts on this? We are in a town called Val-des-Monts, right on the border of Gatineau QC and about 20 mins from Ottawa.

July 17, 2011 9:07 PM  
Blogger Lois Anne Addion said...

Well, after three and a half months of terrible service (sometimes I tried 25 times to get on the net) we finally gave up on Bell Turbo Hub.
What happened was NorthWind took over the old Simply Surf network here in Dunrobin. A neighbor tried Xplornet but lost signal after 20 days, and NorthWind contacted them. So I sent another email and down the driveway they came. The receiver on the roof is new - they use the same D-link as SimplySurf and service so far has been fast and excellent. $150 installation, no limit, $49.95 (more expensive than Bell, BUT we ow have access.
Because of our file of difficulties, Bell is letting us out of contract with no penalties....

July 20, 2011 1:27 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm in Masset, BC,(Haida Gwaii)and decided on the Bell Turbo Hub.
The local "broadband" internet companies acquire service from GwaiiTel through Telus hardware over microwave link connecting the island with the mainland. The data rate for broadband internet users is slow and getting anything over 1.6 Mbps download is unlikely. Something like 1997 home ADSL if you remember that. I figured going with Telus or one of its partners would skip over any issues with middlemen.
Broadband internet and mobile internet are not the same beasts and the Turbo Hub's 10 GB cap at $70 is unnecessary. To get more data, I'd have to buy two Turbo Hubs for a potential of 20 GB (10 GB + 10 GB) but that is another matter.
In Masset the Telus tower is a few kilometers away from my home. My Turbo Hub in the best position in the house and received a signal level of "-77" which I am assuming is -77 dBm. Several speed tests averaged about 1.5 Mbps down and 1.0 Mbps up, usable but not good for on-line gaming. I got a directional yagi from RF Connections http://www.rfconnectionshop.com/proddetail.asp?prod=RF_NETGEARADAPT&review=all
fast shipping and no problems. After connecting the external antenna to the hub and pointing it at the Telus cell tower, my signal level increased to "-55" and I assumed an increase of 27 dB or 400 times better signal level. Several speed tests now average about 3.1 Mbps down and 1.0 Mbps up, essentially doubling the data rate I care about. The external antenna at least in this area I'd recommend. A good resource for finding where the cell towers are is here: http://www.ertyu.org/steven_nikkel/cancellsites.html

September 09, 2011 2:48 PM  
Blogger Chris Spencer said...

Yeah, the signal strength e.g. -77, -55, etc., is in dBm.

You're getting better signal strength than me here in rural Ottawa. Last check, I was getting -88. I had a small antenna connected, but it must have gotten damaged, as the signal strength dropped to -97 or lower. I've been thinking about getting the yagi antenna, but right now, everything seems fine with my Hub.

--Chris

September 09, 2011 9:40 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm in the Sierra Woods area using the W35. Lately, connection has been abysmal. The past two days, connection has been intermittent, at times, completely dead. I've reported the problem to Bell but so far, it's getting worse rather than better!

I can't wait 'til August 2012 when I'm out of my contract for this useless POS.

September 21, 2011 6:53 PM  
Blogger Chris Spencer said...

@Anonymous in Sierra Woods...

The Ericsson W35 reportedly has lots of problems, which may be the main reason that Bell no longer offers it and have replaced it with the NetGear MBR1210.

-Chris

September 21, 2011 10:03 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I, and if you Google, many others, found out the hard way about the W35 and Bell's refusal to replace a lemon (the W35) with something that works (NetGear). I've now been told by Bell to UNPLUG my W35 when I'm not using it as it's lately been completely losing the connection (overheating?)! I don't know whether to laugh or cry. They've offered me 50% off my next two months' bill as a consolation prize.

September 23, 2011 8:15 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I may be moving to the North Augusta area (outside of Brockville, Ontario) and I am just wondering if there is anyone who lives in that area who uses the Netgear Turbo Hub from Bell and what their experience with it has been?

As far as I can tell I would be within a 10km range of the tower and on the bell coverage map it is listed as "4G HSPA+ — up to 21 Mbps (expected average download speeds of 3.5-8 Mbps)"....but how accurate that is I don't know.

November 07, 2011 4:30 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi Chris, I'm upgrading my aunt's service from dialup next week (Ottawa area) and was considering the MBR1210; I was happy to come across your blog! However, I've been reading a lot of complaints that speeds are great for the first few weeks/months (during the trial period) but then they drop off quite significantly after that or are almost completely unusable during peak periods. Since you've had this service since Feb, I was wondering if now, in Nov, you would still recommend it for someone who is primarily a daytime user? Thanks for any help in advance!

November 15, 2011 9:23 AM  
Blogger Chris Spencer said...

@Anonymous: My speeds - up and down - have generally been good. I play online games, and also work from home (email, VoIP, netmeetings) without issue. I just now ran a test; average download was 2.1 Mbps with a peak of 3.7 Mbps. I have the 7 Mbps service, which Bell advises has 2-4 Mbps typical, so all good.

I did have some problems which I think were related to the external antenna I attached when my signal strength dropped off; the antenna got damaged somehow and caused my signal strength to drop even more and thus drop my connection. But I detached the external antenna in August and have had no problems since.

Speeds will in part depend on signal strength (and network traffic) and signal strnegth can vary by location and environmental conditions. For example, Rogers Rocket Stick gets terrible speeds at my home, but Bell's Turbo Hub is 10x better. Your mileage may vary.

The whole trial thing is a bit wishy-washy, since Bell's trial period is mostly usage-based -- 50 MB -- not time-based (they give you 2 weeks to use 50 MB, which of course you can use in about an hour without even trying really hard).

I checked Rogers website yesterday, and their subscription prices were better than Bell's.

Bottom-line: Trial one. If you're not satisfied, return it and try the other.

--Chris

November 15, 2011 6:39 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi Chris, thanks for the response (I posted about upgrading my aunt's service to the MBR1210). I had some fantastic news after speaking to Bell; phoneline-based high speed internet (Fibe, no less) is being expanded into the Ottawa valley and will be available in my aunt's area (Upper Dwyer Hill Road/Panmure Road) in March 2012! This will definitely be affecting a lot of other people so I thought I'd share. You have to call Bell to check the availability for your address though, checking it yourself on their website won't tell you. It's about bloody well time regular high speed came to the country!

November 19, 2011 3:17 PM  
Blogger shubert1969 said...

Hi Anonymous,

I called Bell to inquire about Fibe and phone line based internet. They absolutely denied that Fibe was coming anywhere near Upper Dwyer Hill Road/Panmure Road.

They said that beside dial-up, their turbo hub was the only alternative.

I might have talked to the wrong bell employee...

January 27, 2012 11:01 AM  

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Wednesday, December 15, 2010

Xplornet Fair Access Policy appears to be changing in 2011

As mentioned by poster FireFox in a comment to my Where is SimplySurf? posting, Xplornet may be making changes to its Fair Access/Traffic Management Policy/ies in early 2011. The changes seem to involve both speed throttling and download caps.

A posting on DSLReports.com provides some info, but I decided to check out what Xplornet has on its website.

I'm an Enhanced Xpress user (3 Mbps down, 3.5 GHz), and when I login to myxplornet, I get the following info on my fair access policy:

Our goal is to ensure that each Xplornet customer receives fair and consistent access to the Internet. A small percentage of customers are responsible for a disproportionate share of data usage on our network. To minimize the impact that heavier users might have on the experience of other Xplornet customers, we have implemented a Fair Access Policy. Our intent with this policy is to affect the fewest customers while helping maintain the best speeds for the majority of customers.

The Fair Access Policy on your service operates only during peak hours (between 8am and 1am local time). During this time, we subject traffic related to applications that are considered non time-sensitive (such as peer-to-peer file sharing, news groups, and online data storage) to a peak transfer speed of 300kbps download and 100kbps upload.

Outside of the Fair Access Policy, the speed you experience on your service is influenced by the design of the equipment. The equipment on your service is designed so that the speed you experience varies on a “per transaction” basis. Each time you begin a new “usage transaction”, such as clicking a link on the web, sending an e-mail, or uploading a file, the initial speed you experience will be the “burst” speed associated with your particular package.

You will continue to experience this burst speed until you reach the “burst limit” for your package. If the transaction isn’t finished when you reach the burst limit, the transaction will be completed at the “Sustained” speed for your package.

Each new usage transaction begins with the burst rate.

During normal web browsing, you will likely find that your transactions are at the burst rate. With larger file downloads/uploads, your transactions will be at a mix of the burst and sustained rates.


They go onto give a table of burst and sustained rates, as well as examples.

For the Xpress service, the throttling info given is:

  • Down: Burst: Up to 3.0 Mbps, Burst limit: 3.5 MB, Sustained speed: Up to 700 Kbps
  • Up: Burst: Up to 600 kbps, Burst limit: 600 KB, Sustained speed: Up to 300 Kbps

Basically, for any transaction, once you've downloaded the burst limit at the burst speed, your max speed will be throttled to the sustained speed for the remainder of the transaction.

This is somewhat disturbing.
Even though the intention is to throttle heavy users (e.g. people downloading movies or viewing hours of streaming video), the burst limits are so low that they would easily be reached and exceeded in a single transaction.

In the Fair Access Policy that I get, there is no mention of download caps. I'm not sure if caps apply only to satellite users or what.

This all differs from the caps in place by Bell and Rogers, which charge extra if you go over your monthly download cap. Xplornet doesn't seem to be charging extra if you go over-cap, but rather they just slow you down.

2 Comments:

Blogger Bill said...

Here is my "fair" access policy. Note the change coming in March 2011. I am in Ashton and have started enjoying streaming video to my TV. It does work even at the throttled speed but now I will go over the daily limit (1GB) and have my service put into recovery mode. : ( . I did not receive any other notification about this. I just happened to be in MyXplornet and noticed the pending change.

On your package, the Fair Access Policy operates only during peak hours (between 8am and 1am local time). During this time, our network subjects traffic related to applications that are considered non time-sensitive (such as peer-to-peer file sharing, news groups, and online data storage) to a peak transfer speed of 300kbps download and 100kbps upload.

Starting March 1st , 2011 the Fair Access Policy on your platform will include the peak-hours rules mentioned above, but also some rules related to daily and monthly bandwidth allowances. If you exceed your daily or monthly allowance, your service will go into “Recovery Mode”. While in Recovery Mode, your speed will be restricted to a maximum of 10-25% of your normal maximum speed.

When you exceed your daily allowance, Recovery Mode will continue for a minimum of 12 hours. At the end of twelve hours, the system will reevaluate your usage over the prior 24 hours. If that usage is below the daily allowance, Recovery Mode will end and your speed will no longer be restricted.

Similarly, when you exceed your monthly allowance, Recovery Mode will continue for a minimum of 5 days. At the end of 5 days, the system will reevaluate your usage over the prior 30 days. If that usage is below the monthly allowance, Recovery Mode will end and your speed will no longer be restricted.

Expedience Daily and Monthly Bandwidth Allowances as of March 1st 2011:

*Note: The listed packages are Xplornet’s standard offers. Depending upon your region, your package may have a different name. However, your Fair Access Policies will be consistent with the service packages of the same speed configurations above.

Service Package Maximum Download Speed Maximum Upload Speed Daily Bandwidth Allowance Monthly Bandwidth Allowance
Zip 300 kbps 100 kbps 200 MB 10 GB
Zoom 1.5 Mbps 500 kbps 500 MB 20 GB
Xpress 3.0 Mbps 600 kbps 1 GB 40 GB
Xtreme 5.0 Mbps 800 kbps 2 GB 60 GB
Small Biz 3.0 Mbps 600 kbps 1 GB 40 GB
Medium Biz 5.0 Mbps 800 kbps 2 GB 80 GB
Big Biz 5.0 Mbps 1.2 Mbps 2 GB 100 GB
In addition, we will be introducing a dynamic congestion management policy . This dynamic policy will respond to congestion in a part of the network by identifying those users in that part of the network who are consuming the most bandwidth and reducing their speeds to approximately half their maximum speed for a period of 15 minutes. At the end of 15 minutes, if congestion in that part of the network continues to be an issue, the system will once again calculate which users have been consuming the most bandwidth in the prior 15 minutes, and implement the speed restriction on that newly-calculated set of users.

January 11, 2011 12:45 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is just a sad post, in laymans terms please...here's my analogy.

Food is put on the table, in relation to this post the food is about the size of a large pizza and the cost is 100 dollars in todays money.

Now, you can eat 1.5 slices and expect to be full cause you WILL NOT have anymore until tomorrow. YOU WILL NOT PERIOD.

May 10, 2011 1:15 PM  

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Tuesday, November 23, 2010

Xplornet to provide 4G service

An announcement on Xplornet's website indicates that it is planning to roll-out a 4G network starting this fall (which I guess means now). They don't indicate where they plan to deploy it first.

I could use more speed/bandwidth. 3 Mbps peak is not cutting it, and for the last week or so, the average download speed has been 0.5 Mbps, anytime of day or night.

7 Comments:

Anonymous Mark - Howie Rd said...

Yes, the Xplornet throughput has been very poor this past week.

November 23, 2010 11:46 PM  
Blogger Chris Spencer said...

I called Xplornet customer support last night. Basically, they could not see a problem on their end -- tower wasn't overloaded / over-utilized -- and my signal strength was acceptable.

They suggested a re-point to another tower, at my cost ($125 ~ $150), since speeds are not gaurenteed.

I suggested a downgrade of my service from 3 Mbps to 1.5 Mbps, since I wasn't seeing 1.5 Mbps anyway and there was nothing they seemed able or willing to do from their end. That's when I found out that I actually have the enhanced service -- I knew I had the 3.5 GHz service but wasn't aware that 3.5 Gig was the enhanced service. I'm only paying for the standard 3 Mbps service, not the enhanced service, but the reason given is that I got the 3.5 Gig enhanced service *before* they came out with their enhanced pricing structure. So downgrading to 1.5 Mbps enhanced would actually end up costing me more than they 3 Mbps standard rate I'm paying now.

So I left my service unchanged for now.

When I logged in this morning (~8am) and ran a download test, I peaked at 1.8 Mbps down, and averaged 800 Kbps down, which is much better than I've been seeing over the past week.

November 24, 2010 11:45 AM  
Anonymous Mark - Howie Rd said...

I hope Chris doesn't mind this post...

Does anyone want a Yagi antenna, formerly used with SimplySUrf? Cost $0 but you pick up. I am on Howie Rd between March Rd and Old Almonte Rd.

Details of it http://poyntingdirect.co.za/pYAGI-A0005/YAGI-Antenna-24-GHz--14-dBi.aspx

Drop me an email if you are interested at "anicesteak at gmail dot com".

November 24, 2010 2:34 PM  
Anonymous Matthew said...

I'd be very weary of Xplorenet launching a 4G service. I haven't been a customer of theirs in a while, since I used to use their satellite service. However even then they're service never matched their statements of quality, on top of the throttling, QoS they impose, and port blocking. I'm not sure if this has changed since i was using their service but speak from past experience. Lately i've been using the Rogers 3G service and so far thats been very reliable, consistent, no throttling or port blocking and speeds have been great (5mbs down/2mbs up). If any of these things have changed i may consider going back to Xplorenet, however until then if i was an internet-shopping customer i would stick with the big cell companies, especially when they launch their own 4G service. I know Rogers is doing testing in Ottawa now from their statements on Redboad.

December 08, 2010 6:34 PM  
Blogger Andreas said...

It looks like Quebec (near Sherbrooke) is getting 4G first. Here is the FAQ about the service in that area. The speeds are much lower than I would have expected and the $95 price point for the 5MB connections is pretty astonishing.

Having said that, this is only the start of the rollout. Maybe the speeds will improve.

http://hautevitesseestrie.com/pdf/FAQ_Xplornet_microsites_en.pdf

January 11, 2011 8:01 AM  
Blogger ret said...

Anybody got xplornet 4G service and care to comment?

I found this site by chance, I usually checkout xplornetsucks for information.

May 20, 2011 6:30 PM  
Anonymous 4G Xplornet Satellite said...

I have heard a lot of good things about the new Xplornet 4G Network. I work closely with a local dealer and a lot of the info I've heard regarding the their "FAP" policy and speeds being achieved on their also new 4G Wimax service has been positive. Daily limits are gone and in their place are easy to adhere to bandwidth allocations. Something I consider much more palpable.

November 25, 2011 2:43 PM  

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Friday, October 01, 2010

High-speed comes to Winchester, Avonmore and Apple Hill

According to EMC Manotick-Winchester, high-speed is now available in the Winchester, Avonmore and Apple Hill areas. The high-speed service is being supplied by Xplornet.

Read the article for more info.

4 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here's an interesting press release from Xplornet. I'm not really sure what this means for Ottawa, they aren't very specific.

http://smr.newswire.ca/en/barrett-xplore-inc/canadas-first-national-4g-network-launched

October 08, 2010 5:27 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There appears to be a new tower in Hallville, on Shaw Road. Does anyone have any information on who owns the tower? We're outside of Hallville on Development Rd. and are looking for high-speed options. Bell's signal isn't strong enough and have not heard positive reports on Xplornet or Ripnet. Currently, have a Rogers rocket stick but it is hit or miss at best.

Thanks!

November 19, 2010 11:51 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I've been watching out for the new tower at Hallville hoping it was the beginning of Xplornet's 4G network in our area. According to the Cellular Towers Link on this blog, the Hallville tower is showing up as a Bell tower.
Derek..

November 22, 2010 5:24 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Cell tower only according to Bell.

December 01, 2010 8:59 AM  

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Wednesday, September 08, 2010

CRTC OKs $730M rural broadband, urban rebate plan

The article comes from ITWorldCanada.

"The Canadian Radio-Television and Telecommunications gave approval Tuesday for large phone companies to use $421.9 million set aside in special deferral account funds to bring broadband to 287 rural and remote communities in five provinces in central and western Canada over the next four years."

Click here for the complete article.

5 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

That's weird. They already provide high speed to just about everywhere, through their cell towers.
It used to be that they'd have to put up all these little towers for fixed wireless, but now that they've gone high speed cell using HSPA(+), it's just a matter of placing stuff on their existing towers, which by the looks of it, has already been done (mostly).

So what's with the, how much again? 400 million something? WTF?

And all while they're ripping off their customers with $10 to $15 per GB over their stupid 10GB limit.
INSANE !

September 09, 2010 12:22 AM  
Blogger Chris Spencer said...

I think the money is ear-marked for closing the speed gap between urban and rural services. Top-end rural service, over HSPA+ wireless networks will max-out at ~7 Mbps for $50-$60/month, whereas for a similar fee, urban and suburban services peak at 15 Mbps down.

And as you have repeatedly complained on this blog (to the point where it's now really tiresome), the monthly download limits for wireline (DSL/cable) services are significantly higher than for wireless services (e.g. 60GB+ vs. 10GB).

If the Big Boys have a $730M slush-fund, then closing that gap is a good way to spend it, IMHO.

-Chris

September 09, 2010 6:56 PM  
Anonymous Matt said...

I don't think they will every close that gap of bandwidth limits on wireless solutions simply because then people would start using wireless in the city and rural as their primary access, and their isn't enough spectrum to support that. In reality, wireline is still the best tech to expand for good Quality of Service to rural customers. However it looks almost as if Bell and the other Tel-co's would rather just expand a network that will still appease their biggest users, the Urban markets, and declare the money is being used primarily towards rural communities.

-- Matt

September 17, 2010 12:08 PM  
Anonymous Mark - Howie Rd said...

Well, I agree with Anonymous' "tiresome" comment that the wireless data is excessively expensive. I don't know why they don't offer a package that has "free" data evenings and weekends, just like cell calls.

September 17, 2010 7:24 PM  
Blogger FireFox said...

Hi Chris,

I read some of the CRTC documents around this "slush-fund internet" and read a few things in between the lines that I did not like for Rural Ottawa going forward. Maybe Im reading too much into it - but the 2 things caught my attention were :

1) Bell considers DSL service 'legacy' now, and will only expand wireline service when forced to by the govt. So does that mean if you dont have DSL now, and arent listed in the community exchanges to be serviced with the rebate funds then you won't ever get it. Thats not too bad when we can get 3 / 7 mbit wireless service now, but as the speeds creep up in the wireline market our connections will get slower and slower in relation. I know there isnt much to do about it, but its disappointing to hear.

2) the CRTC allowed existing 'alternate' ISPs (such as explornet) to object to bringing wired service to regions where they provide service. The list of these objections seems to be hard to find, but there was at least one region in Lanark county that was removed from the service area due to Explornet's objection. That seems to be a double-whammy for wired services in rural Ottawa. Its a fine line between protecting small companies and enforcing a monopoly.

I do hope that HSPA+ becomes more affordable as the network expands, and that soon enough we will get LTE support in Canada as Verizon and other wireless providers are rolling out in the states.

Thanks again for the very informative blog and providing a place to post my 2c.

Fox.

September 22, 2010 3:46 PM  

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